NAR’s merger man works with real estate associations

Former trade group exec now a consolidation consultant

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Jerry Matthews has never shied away from contemplating the "what ifs" that keep Realtor association executives awake at night.

In 1989, when Matthews was CEO of the Florida Association of Realtors, he produced a video that explored some dramatic changes he thought might play out in real estate over the next 20 years.

The video asked its audience to consider what would happen if Realtor associations lost their control over multiple listings services (MLSs).

It also considered what the implications would be if the "three way agreement" — ties that bind the National Association of Realtors to state and local associations, requiring members to pay dues to all three — was declared invalid.

Matthews’ video, set 20 years in the future, envisioned a world in which NAR had "lost its monopoly" — not only as the sole provider of marketing tools such as the MLS, but also educational, legal and advocacy services for Realtors.

The video contemplated Realtor associations so "slow, bloated, bureaucratic, duplicative" and costly, as Matthew would later put it, that members rebel. In the video, NAR is forced to merge with "Landsel," a rival group that’s more focused on serving the trade association’s "true customer": the broker-owner.

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Matthews revisited and expanded on his predictions six years later, in a 1995 Realtor Magazine piece. Speaking once again from a hypothetical future — a future in which NAR is an organization to be spoken about in the past tense — Matthews wrote: "The ultimate difficulty for the Realtor organization was that it was a business that existed to support an organization — not an organization that existed to support a business."

Today, having weathered the disruptive technological threats posed by the Internet — not to mention the greatest housing downturn since the Great Depression — NAR and its state and local Realtor associations can still claim more than 1 million members. But membership is in decline, and Matthews continues to push association executives and boards to think ahead.

Source: National Association of Realtors

Now a consultant after 27 years as an executive with the Florida and Illinois Realtor associations, Matthews has been working with NAR on two initiatives aimed at helping associations stay relevant.

One program, dubbed "Transform," helps Realtor associations analyze current practices with an eye to becoming more efficient and valuable to their members.

The second program, "Unify," makes Matthews available to associations that have decided to merge, or are considering such a move.

As his role as the Unify program facilitator, Matthews has helped get the ball rolling in merger talks involving a total of seven Realtor associations now under way in two markets: Denver and western North Carolina.

Discussions in both markets are in the "due diligence" phase, with association boards resolving final details before taking final proposals to members for a vote.


Jerry Matthews

Matthews also helped four Realtor associations in the Chicago market form an umbrella cooperative to speak with a combined political voice and better serve their 34,000 members.

"I get them to the preacher," he said. "It’s up to them to get married."

NAR’s merger man

NAR pays Matthews’ consulting fees, but Realtor associations pay his travel and other expenses — which gives them "skin in the game," he said.

The association exec-turned-consultant is NAR’s main tool for helping associations explore mergers, CEO Dale Stinton told state association executives at NAR’s annual meeting in New Orleans in November 2010.

"I funded Jerry Matthews to do three projects, and I bet those will go very well," Stinton said. "If they do, I think I’ll fund some more. He does it in a very productive way."

Matthews said he’s known Stinton "forever."

"Since I’m out in the trenches now (as a consultant), I promised Dale I would tell him about things I saw in the field," Matthews said.

"Last year, I told him I sensed more people are interested in a merger, but didn’t know how to pull it off. There are egos and emotions involved, and some of the bigger ones that would make a difference were not going to happen" without a facilitator.

Matthews said that, in general, he works only with associations that are already "dancing" — they’ve decided that a merger is worth talking about. He generally won’t work with associations that have held talks that failed, "because usually they’ve poisoned the well."

"I only work with the willing," he said. "I’m the disinterested third party — I am here to help you go where you want to go, but if you don’t want to go there, that’s fine with me."

Getting off on the right foot

Mark Trenka, president of the Denver Board of Realtors, during merger talks when Matthews helped get them rolling last summer, said bringing a consultant in "was a nice move. Having access to (the Unify program) through NAR helped us get started on the process."

"We went to the table a couple of years ago with different players, and it didn’t go anywhere," Trenka said. "Jerry helped us get more people at the table to begin with, and also helped us at the proper time separate the organizations that wanted to stay and work through the process from the ones that weren’t going to be there at the end."

"Jerry is very good in the exploratory (stage)," agreed Lynda Hysong, president of the Brevard Board of Realtors — one of four boards exploring consolidation with Matthews’ help in North Carolina. "He raises the questions that we didn’t even know to raise."

"He got us to thinking about, ‘If you could have anything you wanted — if the sky was the limit — what would you like your association to look like, and what benefits would you like your association to offer?’ " Hysong said.

There are "multiple pressures" on Realtor associations trying to go it alone, Matthews said.

Realtor association membership is down significantly in some parts of the country. At the end of 2010, the latest numbers from NAR show annual association membership declines of more than 12 percent in Georgia, 9.5 percent in Nevada, 9.3 percent in Mississippi, and more than 8 percent in Washington, Colorado, Alabama and South Carolina.

"Just about everybody has had to adjust their budget, and look at what they are delivering in terms of services," Matthews said of state and local Realtor associations.

"Smart" Realtor associations are shifting their product mix to address the realities of the market, he said. Those that don’t are perceived as providing less value to members.

"You have outside pressures to where broker-owners are having to be more efficient — they are cutting overhead, and they are looking to associations to do the same thing," Matthews said.

The largest brokerage in the Columbia, S.C., metro area — Russell & Jeffcoat Real Estate Inc. — dropped its Realtor association membership this year, saying too many agents questioned the value of the services provided.

The multiple listing service in the Columbia market, Consolidated MLS, is independently operated by brokers and not Realtor-affiliated. That meant Russell & Jeffcoat could drop its Realtor affiliation without jeopardizing agents’ access to the MLS.

About 150 of the roughly 370 companies that belong to Consolidated MLS are not Realtor-affiliated.

Although there’s been no mass exodus from Realtor associations on the part of brokerages — the 4 percent overall decline in NAR membership during the past year is thought to be driven primarily by individual real estate agents leaving the profession — that door appears to be open.

"I’ve always thought our organization was vulnerable, and that there would be a point where a competing organization would be viable," Matthews said. "I talked about it back in the 1980s, but there was not enough external pressure."

Some would argue those pressures have increased — more MLSs are "open," meaning they accept non-Realtor members, and consumers have more information at their fingertips than ever, raising the bar for Realtors and their associations to demonstrate what they bring to the table.

Matthews acknowledges the threat: "What if everybody got up one morning and decided not to salute?"

Although he’s spent much of his career warning of just such a possibility, Matthews’ consulting work is aimed at preventing the coming of such a day.

Merger in the air

Since 2004, there have been 20 Realtor association mergers. So far, all have stuck. But three-fourths of those mergers involved just two boards, and there have been only five mergers involving three or more associations.

Matthews hasn’t been involved in all of those mergers — the forces driving Realtor association consolidation are powerful enough to produce results on their own.

Last year in Miami, an impasse over access to real estate listings data led to discussions between two Realtor associations and the creation of the largest regional association in the nation, the Miami Association Realtors, with more than 25,000 members.

In St. Paul, the St. Paul Area Association of Realtors (SPAAR) and the North Metro Realtors Association (NMRA) are finalizing a plan to become a single association, serving 6,600 members, by April 1.

Part of the incentive to consolidate is to lower costs by achieving greater efficiencies and economies of scale, Matthews said, speaking of mergers in general.

"On the other side you have (associations) saying, ‘This is our opportunity to be bigger and better,’ " he added.

"It mirrors what’s going on in the brokerage community, with companies looking to take advantage of the down cycle to look at acquisitions and make marketing adjustments and agreements."

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  • http://www.facebook.com/derek.eisenberg Derek Eisenberg

    Mr. Paine posted a similar article a couple years ago. There is no question that more consolidation reduces costs but Mr. Paine’s argument is flawed. With respect to Growing Technology demands the vendors like Mr. Paine’s Core Logic-MLxChange provide the technology. Mr. Paine’s argument would make sense if he was developing his own MLS code like MLS PIN, Garden State MLS and Trend MLS. However those also large MLSs have not done as good a job as Core Logic or LPS delivering technology.

    Mr. Paine has one county in his state that has more MLSs than anywhere in the US. Fairfield County has 3 single city MLSs (Darien MLS, New Canaan MLS and Greenwich MLS) and one county wide MLS (Greater Fairfield Consolidated MLS). Before looking at other states he needs to focus on his own backyard.

    Maine is not Statewide. Maine has Downeast MLS also. Rhode Island is statewide and he did not mention them.. New Hampshire and Vermont (NNEREN) are bi-statewide. I find it interesting that Mr. Paine did not mention any of the multistate MLSs like NNEREN, MRIS, or Trend. Is that because he wants it statewide but doesn’t want it national. My guess is that Mr. Paine will give you 10 reasons why Statewide is right sized and National MLS is too big.

    The reality is that larger MLSs are good only if they are not bureaucratic. If they can quickly adapt to local nuances without a committee of 50 people meeting and voting it down they are good but the larger they get the more bureaucratic.

    The article cites Miami as a place with recent merger. That is half the story. Greater Ft Lauderdale Association pulled out of Southeast Florida MLS (formerly covering Miami-Dade and (Ft Lauderdale) Broward counties and started South Florida MLS because when they wanted a field added or changed, it was red tape dealing with Miami to reach a resolution. It should be noted that Southeast MLS, South MLS and Regional (Palm Beach and St Lucie) MLS have real time data feeds between the three. So they really have 3 MLSs in that metro market from Miami to Palm Beach but yes the Miami boards merged. It’s like 2 steps back and one step forward.

    Here’s a quick example of what happens with large bureaucracies. Many areas of NJ, NY and PA have post offices that are different than the municpality. So they pay taxes to say the Town of Middletown but their mail goes to Lincroft. They want their house to come up on a search of either Middletown or Lincroft because both are technically correct. I realize Realtor.com is not an MLS but they are bureaucratic like one and for this illustration they are what you would have with a large MLS. For 4 years I have tried to get Realtor.com to address this. I got the feeding MLS involved, I got the NJ Association of Realtors involved. Nothing worked. It’s like pulling teeth. That is why large MLSs are bad for business; because you cannot effecuate change quickly. It becomes like the US Congress. A huge nightmare.

    Finally the MLS have a public facing website called Realtor.com. The reason Zillow and Trulia beat Realtor.com is because NAR was afraid to fail and spun Realtor.com off as a private corporation that charges significant fees to Realtors and never delivered what consumers wanted like Zestimates (Automated Valuation Models-AVMs). A realtor owned MLS will never have AVMs because they want the realtor at the center of the consumer experience to make valuation recommendations and that’s understandable but it also explains why Zillow would have won regardless of Statewide MLSs. Zillows popularity is simple. They give consumers what all the studies show consumers want. To know what their house is worth. Even if it’s garbage data it works. If Realtors want to take back the public sites the way to do it is to buy back Realtor.com. $300K market cap. 1 million Realtors.It’s $100 a year for a little over 3 years (when you pack in some financing interest) and NAR owns it again. Then the give add all the bells and whistles to it that it should have and include it in NAR membership.

    • Ray Schmitz

      Derek, I do not think Cameron’s argument is flawed. You argue about bureaucracy only getting worse with increasing geography, but what you really mean is industry politics, rather than a truly unwieldy number of involved people employed by the same institution.

      You are right that politics can grind decision making to a halt. That’s true even at the local level. Inaction by both NAR and local boards basically created the possibility for Zillow and Trulia to become popular despite imperfect data, precisely because of politics, exactly as Cameron suggests. NAR could have done something at one point, and any of a number of other MLSs (whether local, regional, or statewide) could have moved without NAR, too. They did not.

      I would agree with you that a national MLS may be a better solution, but as an arbitrary intermediate solution, a state level platform is a reasonable suggestion, particularly for large states, because there would already be not only a state level association but also a single regulator overseeing all the members.

      • http://www.facebook.com/derek.eisenberg Derek Eisenberg

        Ray, I don’t think I said don’t do it. I said don’t do it until a foundation for addressing local concerns are addressed first. Also, I don’t mean industry politics. I meant to add a data field, it has to go to a bureaucratic committee; not somebody who says no for poltical reasons. They say no because of ignorance and too many layers of fat instead of a shrewd group of hitech decision makers that get things done. Politics is different. You are talking about brokers making protectionist decisions or defending turf.

    • David Barr

      I have to disagree with your evaluation of Zillow’s Zestimates. They are totally incorrect and do not reflect true market values. There’s a reason no bank or mortgage broker will touch a Zilow Zestimate for an appraisal. So many of Zillow’s widgets and “features” are meaningless, yet the buying and selling public has no idea how or why they are meaningless.

  • Andrew Mooers

    The standard fill in the number, check off the room or feature and very small remarks area for narrative to differentiate listings make it imperative for your own websites to be loaded with videos, more images, lots of time saving, helpful information to go above and beyond. Our office is on line where “we may doze but never close”. Take your local area events, the property listings populating it and helpful blog posts to the buyer, not wait for them on your time to be available.

  • technologiq

    MLS’ have become a detriment to local real estate. Fines for this, fines for that, high costs to access the data that their members provide. High cost to join. Realtor.com already holds all the data – it’s time to cut local MLS’ off at the knees and have one national MLS. Everyone needs to stop being so resistant to change.

    • http://twitter.com/ARG_SD ARGAbbottRealtyGroup

      Realtor.com decidedly does NOT have all the data. You only need to look at the thousands on listings not included in syndicator sites like Zillow, Realtor.com and Trulia and square those with the millions of bogus listings on ZTR and other syndicators to see the value in a well-run MLS.

  • Anthony Gonzalez

    Well said, and I couldn’t agree more. “As long as the real estate industry remains at odds over cooperation, “we will be at the mercy of anyone who can bring more money and better organizational efficiency to the problems we are unable or unwilling to solve ourselves,” Paine concludes. – See more at: http://www.inman.com/2013/05/06/are-statewide-mlss-the-answer-to-zillow-trulia-realtor-com/#sthash.JoOSg5ge.dpuf

  • David Barr

    If the various Realtor associations shut off their 3rd party feeds to Trulia and Zillow, problem solved.

  • Scot Campbell

    Trulia, Zillow, Realtor.com, etc. have built a huge business by buying MLS data from Realtors, repackaging, and re-selling the data. The fee-per-listing we are charging them needs to increase significantly. Realtors are doing the work in the trenches getting the listings signed, photographing, uploading, and maintaining the integrity of the database. There is No Organization/Company which can replace what the MLS Member Realtors/Agents are doing.

  • MiamiRealEstateKing

    INDEED!! A statewide MLS should be in the pipeline in this mobile 21st Century world. In Florida, even though the Florida Association of Realtors has something for agents to share statewide, it is quite inadequate if you have an opportunity to do business outside of your local area. A modern, scalable full-blown MLS service that works across platforms like Apple, Mac, Windows, Android, Google and anything else coming down the technology pipeline needs to be developed.