Walking away from home worse than short sale
Distressed homeowners better off rebuilding credit than paying judgment
By Ilyce Glink, Tuesday, April 15, 2008.Q: My husband and I just had twins and the house that we purchased two years ago is way too small now. We tried selling it privately, but with the market today the offers that we received were very low, about $35,000 less than what is owed on our current mortgage.
I know that walking away from our current home would be irresponsible on our part, but we are not able to sell for what the house is worth. (It seems like we are not the only people having this problem.)
What are the legal and monetary consequences of walking away? We have done a lot of research on this and we are so confused about what to do. We do not want to walk away and then get hit with a $25,000 judgment against us two years down the line demanding payment when our house is auctioned off or when the lender decides it wants its money.
We have also looked into selling our home through private investors and were told that they wouldn't even offer us $200,000 for our house. But we have $235,000 left on our mortgage. Any information that you can give us would be appreciated.
A: Congratulations on growing your family. It's unfortunate that you feel your house is too small for your growing family, but like many Americans you're stuck in a position with no easy way to get out.
If you can't sell your home for at least the amount on your mortgage, then you have to be willing to come to the table with the missing money. In your case, that would be $35,000 plus the expenses of selling your home, including the broker's commission, transfer stamps, moving costs and other fees.
You'll be in the hole maybe $40,000 to $45,000. Your loan agreements require you to make the lender whole, which means reaching into your pocket for those costs. If you can't do that, then you'd have to ask the lender to do a "short sale."
A short sale means that the lender will accept whatever amount you get in the sale in full payment of the loan. The missing money, maybe $35,000 or more in your case, could be forgiven, if the lender doesn't believe you actually have cash available (or are able raise it somehow). One way would be to liquidate your 401(k) accounts or IRAs.
(In times past, you'd also have to pay tax on that missing money, which the IRS would see as income, and which would push you into a higher tax bracket. The good news is that a recent change in the tax code means the forgiven amount is no longer taxed.)
I don't know how small your house is, but even if it is just two bedrooms, I think it's foolish to try to leave now. You're just going to dig yourself into a serious financial hole from which you might never emerge.
Let's look at it: Once you sell your home in a short sale, you'll be broke and your credit will take a big hit. You won't be able to afford to buy a bigger home because you won't have any cash for a down payment and your credit might still be tarnished.
The way I see it, you have two choices: You can stay put and live cheaply, and hope that your neighborhood comes back in the next couple of years. Or, you can rent out your home and find a larger house to rent until the market stabilizes.
And by the way, you're right about one thing: It's irresponsible to think you can dump your house and move on without having any serious financial repercussions from this act. Trust me: This move may haunt you for the next 10 years.
Please talk to a real estate attorney who can help walk you through the financial realities of a foreclosure or short sale.
Q: There are so many reports of problems with synthetic stucco, yet there are so many companies still selling this product.
Is this problem with the product only when installed over a framed house causing moisture build-up versus installation over a concrete ICF-insulated block house where there is no place for moisture build-up?
We are building new homes with ICF blocks and concrete and have had a good experience with them in the past. However, we have never used this synthetic stucco material for siding and I am not looking to use any products with problems.
Please give me any feedback you can.
A: In general, synthetic stucco, also known as EIFS (exterior insulation finishing system), is a polymer-based product. It's a form of plastic that is essentially installed over specially designed board that goes over plywood or concrete bricks.
When I last reported on this issue, the basic problem with synthetic stucco was that moisture would get in through cracks in the exterior, either because the material would crack over time or because it was installed improperly.
Because synthetic stucco is a plastic, it traps the moisture between the exterior and the plywood, or even to the studs themselves. Eventually, mold would form and the house would basically rot from the inside out.
Homeowners living in states where it is hot and humid have had the biggest problems with synthetic stucco over time. However, there appear to have been fewer problems with synthetic stucco that is installed over concrete block, and it has been used successfully in commercial buildings.
The issue for you to determine is whether installing synthetic stucco over insulated concrete blocks would cause a problem for the homes you're building
Some insulated-concrete-block home manufacturers indicated that either a traditional stucco or synthetic stucco may be applied over the blocks. Because of the negative public perception about synthetic stucco products, you might want to be careful before choosing to use this product.
Before you decide on any one product (there are several synthetic stucco manufacturers), I'd check it out thoroughly. Look for any manufacturers' reports on the product and then use the Internet to search out whether problems have been reported. A recent search on Google found 86,500 Web site links for "synthetic stucco," including several law firms that claim to specialize in product liability lawsuits.
But if you're not looking for problems in construction, you may want to consider other exterior finishes.
To get even more valuable advice from Ilyce, visit her Personal Finance and Real Estate Center.
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Submitted by David Podgursky on April 15, 2008 - 6:12am.
On the question regarding abandonment. I wrote an article about the same thing.
First of all:
"Once you sell your home in a short sale, you'll be broke and your credit will take a big hit. You won't be able to afford to buy a bigger home because you won't have any cash for a down payment and your credit might still be tarnished."
I do not see why you would possibly come up with this. If there are ample savings but someone is upside down, they won't be BROKE because of a Short Sale. In fact, their cash and other asset position will be perfectly intact.
The bank has NO idea what your cash position is. A hardship letter is just that. They have NO way of checking your bank balances and even if they did, move the money!
Just because you're upside down does NOT mean you are broke - that is a TERRIBLE assumption. Also, using "foolish" and "irresponsible" is unprofessional at best.
Their Credit will take a big hit but worse would be abandonment for several reasons.
(The next worse thing is a Foreclosure. But a foreclosure can be stalled by the worst of all... Bankruptsy.)
Right now, there are a lot of people in this position. They are too cramped in their current situation and think they need to move but the upside down nature of their mortgage scares them...
On top of that, they have to listen to the malarchy of the press that scares them into doing things like abandonment.
Here's what the short sale boils down to. Technically there are 2 forms that a bank can fill out from the IRS due to a Short Sale. A 1099-C or a 1099-A. 1099-C is a traditional short sale or a cancellation of debt. A 1099-A is an abandonment of debt. The abandonment is YOUR doing, the cancellation is their doing. Abandonment is MUCH worse and will have tax implications for YEARS and YEARS. The 1099-C is voluntary by the lender and so I would suggest hiring an attorney to negotiate your short sale WITHOUT a 1099-C to avoid paying taxes on the difference in your loan and sale price.
This is NOT A QUESTION for a Journalist - even if she does appear on WGN.. especially so in fact! This is a question for an ATTORNEY!
An attorney will represent you and your short sale and negotiate the package with the bank. Then a buyer can come in and buy it at "fair market value" and you will be able to go your way.
You will NOT be able to buy something right away. You will not qualify for a loan for at least 2 years... that is something to remember. You may also have problems RENTING a new place to live if the landlord pulls your credit in a background check.
If there is any way for you to rent out your house and get slightly more than you pay each month in taxes insurance mortgage payment and HOA, then it might be the way for you to upgrade. If you get less rent than you pay every month, remember that it will count against you in qualifying for a new mortgage.
http://themortgagegotoguy.com/short-sales-when-you-do-not-need-one/
Submitted by Sean OToole on April 15, 2008 - 8:45am.
"One way would be to liquidate your 401(k) accounts or IRAs."
This strikes me as a downright irresponsible suggestion. Especially when this article implies the homeowner will face a judgement if they walk away - when the reality is many states do not allow recourse against the homeowner (homeowners should seek counsel from BOTH an attorney and an accountant for the implications in their state)
No recourse combined with recent changes to provide tax relief make walking away all too easy in many states in my humble opinion. That said, the concept of no recourse does make some sense. It puts the burden of making sensible loans on the lender and should have provided some level of self regulation by encouraging lenders to insure the reasonableness of price and the qualifications of the buyer.
Problem is that with the invention of securitization lenders moved that risk from themselves onto others and then artificially inflated prices and the underlying risk of loss through the financial engineering of payments (teaser rates, neg am, etc). We should not expect homeowners (or taxpayers) to bear the full burden of their greed - and we certainly should not encourage homeowners to trade their retirement accounts for it.
We are far from through this foreclosure crisis, but ultimately we will be better served by affordability then the unsustainable appreciation of the last few years. Just ask Realtors in Stockton - prices there have fallen by as much as 40% and inventories are still rising from foreclosures, but sales are UP because folks can once again afford a home.
Sean
Submitted by Paula Bean on April 15, 2008 - 10:56am.
I think Ilyce's comments were right on target. It IS irresponsible to walk away from a comittment you made, and it will hurt their credit.
The original question didn't say anything about how big the house was, only that they'd just recently had twins and it was not big enough. I say be glad you have a roof over your head, many do not. Tough it out, the newly born twins won't need much room til they are another year or two older.
As an aside, the original question said "My husband and I just had twins and the house that we purchased two years ago is way too small now. We tried selling it privately....."
I wonder by that 'privately' comment if they meant For Sale By Owner? If so, I'd get a great agent who knows how to market in that neighborhood, try an auction (they are working great and not what everyone thinks) or hire a certified real estate consultant or an attorney to go over ALL of the options you have.
I don't think that walking away is the answer. I also wouldn't advise liquidation one's retirement, BUT that depends on your age and how long it would take for you to replace that money, would it be taxable income or a loan? Your tax bracket, savings, and many other factors that nobody knows in order to give qualified options.
Consulting a professional to discuss those options is ALWAYS the best advice because everyone is unique in their situation, motivation and desperation.
Paula Bean, REALTOR, e-PRO Certified Technology Expert, Accredited Consultant in Real Estate
Helping people with their real estate needs since 1979 in Orlando, FL