Home-sale commissions too high, seller says

If broker's rate is unacceptable, demand it be lowered or go elsewhere

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DEAR BENNY: I had my home priced under the market price and recently took it away from the brokers so I could lower the price even more. Why? Well, I have a beautiful, wonderfully priced home and did not get any offers.

In this period of downturn in the real estate market, each week we are told, "Price your house under the market value or pull it off the market."

My question is this: Why is it entirely on the homeowners to take a hit when this whole mess was not their fault -- except some got greedy on the price? Homeowners would be less resistant to lowering the price if the real estate brokers would also lower their commission rates. Is it a state law that they cannot lower their fees? We are in this together and we need some incentives from the real estate brokers. --Bob

DEAR BOB: For fear of being criticized again for being too cynical, I have to say that everyone believes his or her house is beautiful and "wonderfully priced." But that's not always the case. We often look at our house through "rose colored" glasses. Perhaps your house is not worth what you think it is -- especially in this down market. And with hundreds (if not thousands) of homes going to foreclosure, many potential buyers are trying to get a better deal on those houses.

You are correct that greed has played a large part of the current real estate mess that we are in -- greed on the part of brokerage firms, mortgage lenders, real estate agents and sellers. But that's the past, and hopefully Congress (and state legislators) will wake up and enact strong safeguards so that these same practices will not happen again.

To answer your specific question, there are no laws restricting real estate brokers and agents from reducing their commissions. In fact, every real estate commission is negotiable. The antitrust laws prohibit price-fixing; real estate commissions are -- and must be -- decided by each company without collusion or cooperation from any other company.

Many real estate brokers anxious for a sale will be happy to reduce their commission; all you have to do is ask. If a broker is unwilling to do so, search around for a company that will give you a break.

However, in today's market, many real estate agents are asking for a bonus if they find a buyer within a certain fixed period of time. Once again, that's negotiable. If you want to sell -- and have an agent work really hard for you -- you might be willing to pay something extra. But again, that's your choice.

DEAR BENNY: My wife and I own our home as joint tenants. My father is willing to purchase a joint-tenancy interest in our home with us to help us pay down our mortgage. If we do this, will there be any immediate tax liability triggered by this action for any of us. Also, if at some time in the future my father wishes to quitclaim his interest in our property back to us, would that trigger any immediate tax liability for any of us? --Richard

DEAR RICHARD: When you sell property -- whether all of it or only a portion -- there will be tax consequences. However, if you and your wife file a joint income tax return, and have owned and lived in the property for at least two years, you can exclude up to $500,000 of the gain you will have made.

But that's only the start of the analysis you should make. Let's say that your father purchases one-quarter of your house. Several years later, if he deeds it back to you (whether by a quitclaim or warranty deed is irrelevant), presumably he will have made a profit. At least, the IRS may think so. And since he would not be eligible for the up-to-$500,000 exclusion of gain, he may have to pay capital gains tax. (I can't determine the exact amount because I don't know his tax bracket.)

I don't like your idea. Here's an alternative suggestion: Your father can act as the banker. He can lend you what banks call a "home equity loan." In effect, he will provide you with a line of credit, which you can tap in any time you need the money. You and your wife will have to sign a promissory note in favor of your father for the full amount, as well as a deed of trust (mortgage). This latter document should be recorded among the land records where the property is located, so that (1) your father will be protected and (2) you will be able to deduct for tax purposes the interest that you pay him.

You must advise your current mortgage lender of your plans, to make sure that this is not prohibited under your present loan.

You will pay your father interest only on the moneys that you actually borrow.

In my opinion, this makes more sense that giving him a portion of your property.

DEAR BENNY: My grandmother in California is about to sell her house for $500K, and let's assume that is a profit of $450,000 over the 1970 purchase price. Her next move is to rent an apartment in an assisted-living facility for $5,000 per month. If she were reinvesting in another house for $200,000, then the $250,000 credit would cover all the exposed gain. However, she needs assisted living. Is there any rationale for applying assisted-living rent against the remaining $200,000 capital gain exposure? --Daniel

DEAR DANIEL: I am not sure that you fully understand how the up-to-$500,000 exclusion of gain works. If you are married and have lived in and owned a house for two out of five years before it is sold, you are entitled to completely exclude up to $500,000 of any gain you have made from the sale. (If you are single or file a separate tax return, you can exclude only up to $250,000 of the gain.)

You do not have to invest the sales proceeds in anything. The tax law gives you the absolute right to keep the money and use it as you see fit.

But effective for tax years 2008 through 2010, any profit above $250,000 will be taxed at the capital gains rate applicable to your grandmother. If, for example, she is in the 10 percent or 15 percent ordinary income tax bracket, she would not have to pay any capital gains tax on any profit up to that tax bracket. I cannot provide you with specific advice, and you (or your grandmother) should discuss these issues with a tax accountant.

DEAR BENNY: What is the titling one would use when one wants to have property titled in the names of two or more parties but in such a way that would allow any of the parties to dispose of the property without requiring the approval, knowledge or co-signature of the other party(s)? --Oliver

DEAR OLIVER: If two or more people own property, they all must sign in order to sell it. However, there are ways to accomplish your objective.

You can put the property in the name of a limited liability company (LLC) and become the managing member of that LLC. However, this approach must be fully disclosed to the other members in a written document which is called an "operating agreement." That document should spell out in clear language that the managing member has the absolute right to sell without the approval or consent of the other LLC members.

Instead of creating an LLC, you could have the other parties sign powers of attorney, authorizing you to sign the deed to a third party. However, you have to check the laws in your state, since there may be time limitations on how long such a power of attorney will last.

If you take title as tenants in common or joint tenants, you can sell your interest without obtaining approval from the other owners. However, not too many people want to buy only a portion of a piece of property.

Finally, whatever procedure you decide to take, you must make absolutely sure that the other owners have been fully informed that you may want to sell the property without their consent. You should have a document in writing explaining all this, signed by all parties. Otherwise, you are subjecting yourself to a lawsuit for fraud and wrongful conversion.

Benny L. Kass is a practicing attorney in Washington, D.C., and Maryland. No legal relationship is created by this column. Questions for this column can be submitted to benny@inman.com.

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Submitted by Jim Lee, Portsmouth New Hampshire Realtor on May 5, 2008 - 3:25am.

Regarding the seller that says real estate commissions are too high; a few points.

1. Real estate commissions are now and have always been fully negotiable between a licensee and a seller.

2. Since we're paid a percentage of the sale price, if the seller takes less we get less. X% of 100,000 is obviously less than X% of 150,000.

3. We do get the job done for you and if we don't you pay us nothing.

If his home was indeed "wonderfully priced" someone would have bought it. It takes both a willing buyer and a willing seller to make a sale; that's called fair market value. In my experience most "wonderfully priced" homes are typically overpriced because the seller values it higher than buyers are willing to pay.

Jim Lee, CRS, ABR, GRI, NAR Certified e-PRO Trainer
Realty Executives Associates, Knoxville, Tennessee
www.KnoxvilleHomeCenter.com mailto:Jim@JimLee.com
(865) 693-3232, My Personal Toll Free # 1-800-662-2488 ext. 163
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Submitted by Blanca Gohary on May 5, 2008 - 9:23am.

I just wanted to reiterate what Jim Lee stated in the previous comment. When Sellers lower the price on their home, they often think they are the only ones "giving something up". Some Sellers fail to realize that as a Realtor, our negotiated commission is based on the actual sale price of their home. If they sell their home for less, our commission is based on that lower sales price-so we are infact "giving something up" as well.

Unfortunately, many Sellers do not understand how our commissions work so they think we are making tons of money. If more Sellers understood that the commission they are paying goes to the Brokerage, not directly to their agent, and that part of that commission is going to a Cooperating Brokerage that produces the Buyer, they would probably not complain about the commission. Helping Sellers understand the process and how the commission works for them and in their favor, would help bridge a communication gap. Educating our clients is the key.

Blanca Gohary, REALTOR®, CRS Member
Windermere Real Estate-Park City, UT
Blanca@windermere.com
(435) 313-5232

 
Submitted by Julia O'Day on May 5, 2008 - 10:23am.

....and a few more points to add. In this market, things are taking longer to sell. In my area, the market absorption rate is hovering around 12 months. That means more money spent by the agent or broker on Internet advertising, newspaper advertising, flyers and brochures (not to mention Sunday afternoons spent sitting open houses that could have been spent on other activity)- all for a house that may or may not sell because the seller has not gotten realistic about pricing. The agent that willingly accepts reduced commissions is going to have less money to spend on getting the house marketed properly. IMO, a smart seller offers a higher commission, not a reduced one. This allows the selling broker to offer a higher split to the cooperating broker who brings in the buyer- this may get the house more attention on the MLS. The time to ask for a reduced commission is in a hot market, when it is easy to sell a house- not in a slow market.

Julia
Weichert Realtors
West Milford, NJ

 
Submitted by Steve Minton on May 5, 2008 - 5:54pm.

Benny,
Pretty short sighted on your part to not address "value". I have a client, she hired another agent prior to hiring me. This agent reduced his commission handsomely. She got a great deal. NOT! The agent improperly counseled her on price, he had not effective marketing program (by the way, print is dead, less than 2% of buyers look in print and having your own website isn't even close to having a presence on the web)The lady was elderly, retired, and had not other means to earn money, as she was past her earning years. Her carrying costs were $500.00 This discounted commission cost her $3500 to carry this home for 7 months. HE DID HER NO FAVORS AND COST HER MONEY IN THE END. I come along, she asks me to cut my commission. I ask her to hold that question and proceed to show her my program, and where we should be positioned in the market based on the competition. She immediately saw the value and was no longer concerned about the commission, because she knew i was a highly skilled professional. Her engineer son was in agreement. We found our buyer and closed in 45 days. Telling people to find an agent who will lower their commission is like telling someone to pack their swimsuit for an Alaskan cruise but forgetting to tell them to pack their coat too. It's only 1 part of the story and context absolutely matters. Absence of value=Heavily reduced commission. Steve Minton Keller Williams, Indianapolis India