Lowball offers fail buyers
Home Sale Hindsight
By Tara-Nicholle Nelson, Friday, June 26, 2009.Q: My wife and I are getting frustrated by sellers who seem like they don't really want to sell their homes -- even in this market!
This scenario has happened several times: We see a place we like listed at $499,000. We write an offer at $445,000. The seller doesn't even respond. Then, six weeks later, the place is still on the market and the price is reduced to $449,000 -- if they had issued us a counteroffer at $449,000, we'd have bought it back then. We're still interested, but we're not paying the full price, so we offer $425,000 -- and they still don't even respond. We've done this on several houses, over the last four months, and ALL of those houses are still on the market! We think these sellers are just crazy.
I wanted to find out about short sales or bank-owned properties, because those sellers might be more motivated, but our Realtor told us she doesn't know anything about them. Are we doing something wrong?
A: Well, friend, yes -- you are. You are operating in a bubble, without consideration for what your local market standard pricing and negotiating practices might be. When you say, "We're not paying the full price," you are expressing that you are entrenched in your own values and mindset about what you will and won't do, rather than trying to get inside the mind of those who make the decisions that impact whether you will or won't be successful at getting a home and writing an offer that speaks to their concerns. Is that allowed? Sure! Is it likely to be successful? Nope -- as you have already seen.
I often run into buyers who, like you, have firm rules of thumb about what price they will and won't pay, or what terms they will and won't agree to. After they lose a few homes, I remind them that the sense of one-upmanship, pride, or illusory hard-nosed bargaining that they are cultivating with those "rules" is pretty meaningless if they don't ever get any of the homes they are trying for! Keep in mind that any "discount" you were after a few months ago has probably been eaten up by the increases in interest rates in that same time period.
The seller's position might be ego-based; some sellers simply get a price stuck in their heads and refuse to budge, because they think their home is just that great. It might owe more to local standard practices; in some areas, sellers simply expect to get the asking price with no haggling, so for you to continually come in under asking -- no matter how low they drop the price -- might be perceived as insulting.
While the fact that the sellers are reducing their prices to virtually what you'd offered in the first case might seem baffling, they might be trying to hit the pricing sweet spot that generates multiple offers and bidding over the list price. Still other sellers might have a target they have to hit to pay off their mortgage and move on -- and be unwilling to sell if they can't get at least their bottom line.
And it is completely possible that you've just had bad luck with sellers -- ask your Realtor whether or not her other buyer clients are having this experience. ...CONTINUED
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Submitted by Judy Orr on June 26, 2009 - 1:02pm.
Good luck to these buyers if they decide to lowball foreclosures and/or short sales. The only foreclosure bids my clients have won are those that went over list price (one went around $20,000 over as there were 8 bids and she really wanted the home).
Personally, I would be sitting down with these buyers and discussing their bidding practices. If they were willing to pay $445,000 and the seller is now seeing the light since they didn't get anything better, how does the new lower price of $449,000 now justify an offer of $425,000?! Sounds like these buyers are simply playing games and must not be in love with these homes and are just speculating.
Judy Orr
Classic Realty Group
Oak Lawn Homes
Submitted by Reba Haas on June 26, 2009 - 4:30pm.
The agent may also be precluded in doing short sales by her broker. In WA State, because of a horrible law targeted toward what was called the Distressed Property Consultant, many brokers made absolute rules about their agents not being able to handle short sales or foreclosure properties. The law has been amended, finally, as of this year but many are still working on the old platform. Short sales are often ignored by agents because their pay gets cut by banks, but the agent will have spent up to 4-10x longer working on one of these files than a typical transaction. With an average 75% closing possibility, many do not want to take the risk and focus instead on more "sure" deals than these.
I agree that buyers need to consider the seller situation when putting in a lowball offer. Just yesterday I had a buyer call me after I spoke with his agent, letting him know that the offer they'd presented had very much offended my elderly client. There was close to a $100k difference in price in the offer and my clients felt that these people were trying to "steal" from them in their old age. I knew that wasn't the case having already ferreted out from the buyer's agent that his clients could only go to a certain maximum price, but that didn't change my client's opinion. Even though we're now closer, but not quite, to their original offer who knows if they'll reconsider and place another offer a little bit higher which is what would likely get them the house they want and my clients the result they need. We'll see.