How credible is Case-Shiller to NYC?
From The Real Deal
By The Real Deal, Friday, April 16, 2010.
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By GABBY WARSHAWER
NEW YORK -- While there is no question that the Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller 20-city housing index is an influential measure of the country's shifting real estate fortunes, some New York-based number-crunchers argue that it says almost nothing about the city's -- particularly Manhattan's -- real estate reality.
Still, New York City publications often cite the index (one recent story ran under the headline "Housing Index: New York home prices decline 10 percent").
"Case-Shiller is an index of single-family homes, and it's terrific for measuring housing markets that are heavily concentrated with single-family homes," said Jonathan Miller, president and CEO of appraisal firm Miller Samuel, which itself produces widely referenced market reports for New York City.
"But it doesn't include co-ops or condos, which account for 98 percent of Manhattan's nonrental properties."
Case-Shiller does have a separate condo index that includes the New York region, but condo sales are not taken into account in the influential 20-city housing index.
Miller believes that drawing conclusions about the city's real estate market -- be it "Manhattan, or any of the boroughs, which have a large proportion of co-ops" -- is "a misapplication of the index."
Other New York analysts take issue with the geographical scope that the index -- founded by economists Robert Shiller, Karl Case and Allan Weiss -- uses for the New York region.
"It takes into account counties in New Jersey and Pennsylvania," said Noah Rosenblatt, founder of the brokerage UrbanDigs, which plans to start releasing its own New York market data in the near future. "If you're following Manhattan real estate, you can't compare places like that to Manhattan."
Sofia Song, vice president of research for StreetEasy, a real estate data Web site, is also critical of the index's geographic definition of the New York region.
"It's just unbelievable that they're including Pike, Pa., and Fairfield, Conn.," she said. "It includes both the suburban market and the second-home market."
But Case, a professor of economics at Wellesley College, defended the index, saying that co-op sales have too many variables to be included.
It should be noted that the three economists sold their company, Case Shiller Weiss, in 2002 to the information management company Fiserv, which then partnered with Standard & Poor's to develop tradable options and futures based on the index.
Shiller and Case still play advisory roles with respect to the S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Indices.
"Cooperatives differ in terms of their financial fundamentals," Case wrote The Real Deal in an e-mail. "I bought a co-op in New York back in 2004. I looked at a large number and found them very difficult to compare. Some have large common mortgages and high monthly payments, while others have very little common debt ... and these things change."
He said, however, that it was "also unclear to me that the relationship between the co-op market and the single-family market is dramatically different over time." ...CONTINUED
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Submitted by John Rakoci on April 16, 2010 - 7:31am.
Since the media promotes CS people all over the country look at it as important or relates to their market. Not only does it not work in at least the NY market it is supposed to it can be totally unrelated to nearly every other market in the country. I have found CS to be a dis-service to the Coastal Carolinas.
Submitted by Leon d'Ancona, B.T.L., M.T.L. on April 18, 2010 - 5:40am.
Leon d'Ancona, B.T.L.,M.T.L.
President/CEO IMS Incorporated
WWW.Realestatestatistics.com
In San Francisco for the first quarter of 2010, the average price of a 3 bedroom home with two bathrooms was $810.683. When you break the 672 sales down by zip code, prices ranged from $364,213 in zip code 94124 all the way up $1,397,188 in zip code 94123.
That is why Case Schiller is analogous to rating a restaurant by the French fries they serve. Good fries do not mean a great steak, nor do they preclude a limp salad. When you order wine, specificity matters. White, red, type, age and so on. Case Schiller may be a fair evaluation in terms of rating McDonalds, but lumping real estate sales and values together en masse, negates the true intrinsic value of location location location.
Real Estate professionals know that only by segregating specific types and styles of homes within a strictly defined area do market conditions become clear and meaningful. Do you know anyone willing to sell their 1.3 million home for 810 thousand because Case Schiller said so?