Some real estate pros take aim at anti-piracy legislation

Critics worry bills would interfere with sharing of real estate data

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CORRECTIONS: The original version of this article contained errors. The original article misidentified broker Jim Duncan's market area. Duncan works in the Charlottesville, Va., area. Also, Duncan's comments were clarified to note that he believes it would be difficult to verify compliance under the proposed new laws of all of the information that he links to from his website. Also, Eric Post is principal of Better Homes and Gardens Realty Partners Inc. in Clackamas, Ore.

Some real estate practitioners and technologists have taken a stance against federal anti-piracy legislation in the U.S. House of Representatives (SOPA) and the Senate (PIPA), worried that it could restrict the legitimate sharing of real estate information online.

Online user-generated encyclopedia site Wikipedia blacked out its site today to protest the anti-piracy legislation that critics say could have wide-reaching and "scary" ramifications for most Internet users and the nation's burgeoning e-commerce sector.

And Craigslist, a popular real estate listings site, is among the sites that lent their weight to the protest movement with messages and information about the legislation. Google's logo was blacked out today in recognition of the protest, while the site remained fully accessible.

The legislation, say critics, could allow authorities to shut down websites, deemed to infringe upon copyrights, with no due process, while proponents of the bills say that the legislation would streamline and strengthen copyright holders' creations.

Also, the bills focus on foreign copyright-infringing websites, and many opponents of the bills agree with the anti-piracy aspects of the bill but fear that, as written, domestic sites and copyright infringement definitions are susceptible to unchecked oversight, which could bleed into all areas of the Internet.

Think of all the shared information: multiple listing services, photos, videos. Can you verify the copyrights of all the content? One unknown copyright infringement, like finding a needle in a sky-high haystack, could mean your whole site being removed, blocked, if this legislation passes, critics say.

Dr. Jim Gaines, a researcher at Texas A&M's Real Estate Center, said that this legislation could have severe ramifications for the real estate industry. He mentioned possible data-sharing restrictions, like multiple listing service info on Craigslist, as an example.

Broker Eric Post, principal of Better Homes and Gardens Realty Partners Inc., Clackamas, Ore., said, "The real estate industry is a collaborative industry." "We thrive on the ability to share listings, photos, information," he said. "Any threat like this is a threat to our industry."

"The ability to take down entire websites is pretty scary," said Post. "The online economy is so important to us, we need to protect it."

Being ultimately responsible for every minutiae of copyrighted content on your website would not only be impossible, wrote Eric Stegemann, a writer at Tribus.com in a blog post, but is unreasonable:

"For one photo on one listing, your entire site could be filtered right off the Internet. No more SEO (search engine optimization). No more leads, no more branding. For one photo, out of the 100,000 listings your MLS may have, with five photos each. One in 500,000 -- yes."

Jay Thompson, who leads a 34-agent brokerage in Phoenix, "blacked" out his popular real estate blog by making only one page active on the site; it urges action to join in the protest of the legislation. The choice to "blacken" the site, which is his primary lead generation source, was not easy, he said, but he believes the legislation is a serious matter.

"Let's say I'm taking a video of a listing; there could be copyrighted photographs on the wall that could lead to my site being removed," said Thompson, if the legislation passed.

Charlottesville, Va., broker Jim Duncan also "darkened" his landing page today. "My world relies on sharing with attribution," he said, noting that he couldn't possibly verify whether every bit of information he links to would be compliant with the new rules under consideration. That would kill the way he does business, he said.

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Submitted by Bob Wilson on January 18, 2012 - 1:55pm.

"I can't be put in the position of determining the copyright situation for all of the content I put up on my site,"

Actually Jim, you are already legally in that position now. You are responsible for everything you publish. By virtue of IDX agreements you are allowed to share what is otherwise copyrighted info, but everything else you publish is on you. Defeating these two bills, which needs to happen, doesnt do anything to existing copyright laws. It just changes the ramifications for those accused of violating these existing laws without do process.

Bob Wilson

 
Submitted by Jim Duncan on January 18, 2012 - 7:19pm.

Bob -

Yeah, I know. What I actually said is that I can't be put in the position of verifying that everything I link to is compliant. Everything I publish is vetted and verified to the best of my ability, but everything I link to isn't.

To be honest, I wasn't even remotely thinking about IDX when I was thinking about SOPA and PIPA.

Also, I'm in Charlottesville, Virginia rather than Charlotte, NC as the article states. :)

Jim Duncan
434-242-7140
http://www.realcentralva.com
Realtor

 
Submitted by Bob Wilson on January 18, 2012 - 8:04pm.

Jim - big difference between the two. Sorry you were misquoted.

 
Submitted by Jim Duncan on January 19, 2012 - 4:29am.

Bob - It happens. :)

Jim Duncan
434-242-7140
http://www.realcentralva.com

 
Submitted by Jonathan Cardella on January 19, 2012 - 8:32am.

The MLSs have the most to lose if this legislation passes. Angry photographers who granted an agent a limited license to use their works will be able to use PIPA or SOPA to hold the MLS accountable for the mass publication of their images. Angry agents who previously listed a property and lost the listing to another agent who chose to use the previous listing's images will have the same remedies.

MLS participation will become a lot more expensive since MLSs will be forced to verify the copyright chain of ownership for every photo uploaded to their MLS. That will create some jobs but MLS fees
Paid by agents would potentially increase 5-10x as MLSs are forced to staff a copyright verification team or outsource these services to new vendors.

Right now we have legal remedies for copyright infringement that include some level of due process. With PIPA and SOPA due process will be negated thereby putting every online business in the sites of angry copyright holders, newly armed with hairpin triggers that threaten to assassinate websites, permanently decomissioning them.

In fact, the remedies propsed by SOPA and PIPA are so swift and favorable to the plaintiff that if passed, I can envision a new sort of industry and business model revolving around searching the web for infringers and soliciting the copyright holders to take action to seize and liquidate the domain names of the alleged violators before they even have the opportunity to refute the claims, in return for a share of the proceeds.

This would be like the contingency fee-based attorneys that currently encourage MLSs to pursue the "miscreants" for a good fight, however they will not be held to any ethics or standards of conduct applied to the legal profession and they will have less to lose without having invested in a law degree and license. This new business will make ambulance chasing look honorable and will turn the Internet into a very risky place to invest, killing VC and angel investment into the sector as well as all the jobs that come along with it.

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Submitted by Mark Washburn on January 21, 2012 - 7:34am.

Agree 100% that displaying IDX listings on your site from another broker that clipped a copyrighted photo could be problematic if this passes. Some litigious photographer might try to sue every Realtor that has an IDX for a given Board.